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| A “non-physical, mathematical, hyper-dimensional space” that *contains* all information is a coherent idea in a few different senses—but those senses often get blended together in a way that makes the claim sound more scientifically settled than it is. The most useful way to think about it is to separate (1) **mathematical frameworks that model phenomena**, (2) **philosophical positions about what is ultimately real**, and (3) **spiritual/metaphysical doctrines** that make additional ontological claims. | |
| ## 1) The idea is mathematically natural, but “contains all knowledge” is an extra step | |
| It’s completely standard in math/physics to represent a system as a point in a high‑dimensional space: | |
| - **State spaces** in dynamical systems: the “space” is a bookkeeping device for all degrees of freedom. | |
| - **Hilbert space** in quantum theory: a mathematically precise space of possible states. | |
| - **Information geometry** / statistical manifolds: spaces whose points are probability distributions. | |
| - **Markov chains**: evolution of a probability distribution over discrete states; again, a formal space. | |
| In all of these, the space is not automatically “a realm where facts live.” It’s a representation that can be astonishingly effective. | |
| To get from “we can model experience/physics in a formal space” to “there exists a mind-independent repository of all truths and memories” requires a philosophical commitment—usually a form of **Platonism** (mathematical realism) plus something like **panpsychism/idealism** (mind or experience as fundamental), or a strong metaphysical thesis about information being ontologically basic. | |
| ## 2) How your cited ideas plausibly connect (and where they don’t) | |
| ### Don Hoffman (Markov chains, “conscious agents,” “source”) | |
| Hoffman’s program (at a high level) treats perception as an **interface** shaped by fitness, and proposes mathematical models of interacting “conscious agents.” Markovian dynamics are a natural language for transitions in an abstract information state space. | |
| - **What this supports well:** the notion that an *information-centric formalism* can be foundational, and that “spacetime” could be emergent from deeper structure. | |
| - **What it doesn’t establish by itself:** that there is literally a singular, externally existing database containing all knowledge, or that human-accessible “records” are stored there. | |
| ### Michael Levin (non-neural cognition, morphogenesis) | |
| Levin’s work strongly supports the view that **goal-directedness, memory-like behavior, and problem-solving** can appear in biological systems beyond brains (e.g., tissues, bioelectric networks). | |
| - **What this supports well:** cognition as **substrate-independent** in some sense (it can be implemented in multiple physical media) and the usefulness of describing biological organization in terms of informational/teleological state spaces. | |
| - **What it doesn’t require:** a non-physical Platonic repository. You can interpret it in fully physicalist terms (distributed control, feedback, bioelectric signaling) without positing an extracorporeal data realm. | |
| ### Arkani-Hamed (amplituhedron, scattering amplitudes) | |
| The amplituhedron program is a striking example of physics becoming more “geometric” and less tied to traditional spacetime pictures in intermediate computations. | |
| - **What this supports well:** that deep physical laws may be more naturally expressed in **abstract mathematical structures** than in familiar spacetime terms. | |
| - **Important correction to a common impression:** the amplituhedron is not generally presented as “proven mathematics that reality is Platonic.” It’s powerful *mathematical/physical machinery* that suggests spacetime locality and unitarity might emerge from deeper principles in certain contexts—not that “all information exists in a separate realm.” | |
| ### Akashic record (Theosophy) | |
| This is a metaphysical/spiritual claim: a universal record of events, thoughts, and knowledge. | |
| - **What it provides:** a narrative that resembles “a structured information field.” | |
| - **What it lacks (scientifically):** operational definitions, predictive constraints, and public verification standards comparable to physics/biology. | |
| ## 3) Three interpretations of your “hyper-dimensional information space” | |
| Here are three versions of the idea, from most scientifically conservative to most metaphysically ambitious: | |
| ### A) **Model-space realism (conservative)** | |
| There is no separate realm; “information space” is a highly effective **description**. | |
| - Pros: consistent with mainstream science; avoids unfalsifiable leaps. | |
| - Cons: doesn’t satisfy the intuition that “the space itself is what’s real.” | |
| ### B) **Structural realism / Platonic structuralism (middle)** | |
| What is fundamentally real is **structure** (relations, invariants), and “physical stuff” is secondary or emergent. | |
| - Pros: fits the uncanny effectiveness of math; compatible with some modern physics intuitions. | |
| - Cons: still doesn’t automatically give you a *library* of all facts; it gives you lawful structure. | |
| ### C) **Ontic information field / idealism (strong)** | |
| A non-physical information domain is primary; spacetime and matter are emergent “renderings,” and consciousness navigates this domain. | |
| - Pros: directly matches your “organized data structure of all information” concept; aligns with Akashic-like notions. | |
| - Cons: hardest to constrain; often struggles to produce novel, testable predictions rather than reinterpretations. | |
| ## 4) The key question: “contains all information” in what sense? | |
| “All information” can mean different things: | |
| 1. **All mathematically possible information** (the space of all consistent structures). | |
| 2. **All physically instantiated information** (everything that happens in our universe, encoded somehow). | |
| 3. **All knowable truths** (epistemic totality, including counterfactuals, meanings, qualia). | |
| 4. **All personal memories/events** (Akashic-style record). | |
| (1) is close to Platonism and is philosophically respectable but not empirically decidable. | |
| (2) is closer to physics, but then it’s unclear why it must be *non-physical*—it could just be the universe’s total state. | |
| (3) and (4) are the strongest and most controversial, because they imply a kind of universal indexing and retrieval that goes well beyond current science. | |
| ## 5) What would make this idea compelling as *science* (not just metaphysics)? | |
| A good litmus test is: can the hypothesis generate **constraints** and **predictions**? | |
| Examples of what “success” would look like: | |
| - A precise mapping from proposed “information space” primitives to observable regularities (new invariants, scaling laws, limits). | |
| - A way to derive known physics (or biology) as an emergent approximation with fewer assumptions than competitors. | |
| - Novel, risky predictions (not post-hoc fits) about cognition, morphogenesis, or fundamental physics. | |
| Without that, the idea remains a *philosophical synthesis*—potentially beautiful and meaningful, but not adjudicated by the usual scientific methods. | |
| ## 6) My bottom line | |
| A hyper-dimensional mathematical space that *organizes* possibilities (states, relations, transitions) is not only plausible—it’s almost unavoidable in modern theorizing. But the stronger claim that there exists a **non-physical repository containing all knowledge** is a metaphysical step that current mainstream readings of Levin/Hoffman/modern amplitude geometry do not force. | |
| If you tell me which version you mean—(A) model-space realism, (B) structural realism, or (C) ontic information/idealism—and whether you’re aiming for a **testable scientific hypothesis** or a **metaphysical worldview**, I can give a tighter, more targeted critique and a set of the best arguments for/against it. |
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